Thursday, April 10, 2014

I'm no longer teaching resource room. I've given the very challenging assignment of teaching the K-1-2 bridge class. My new students are so much fun. We are getting so much work done. My students have made great strides in the short time I've had them They are always surprising me with how much they know.
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  1. MCSeptember 23, 2020 at 4:57 PM

    re Vox Day blog:

    @49 Natschuster

    Consciously or not, you’re doing Taqiyah. A milder form, not outright lying, but also not "Emess" - holy truth.

    You can't glorify God with a lie

    You’re not in a debate where you'll be killed for 1 wrong word (when maybe you have to dissemble)

    You are talking *over the internet* to sincere, clever people - mainly men of faith - among the only ones standing up for Godly values in an insane world.
    Tell the truth.
    If our scriptures appear rude - tell the truth.
    You can worship God beyond the letter of the law. You can teach your children that non-Jews are holy. You can can
    cite other teachings in Talmud which command to behave very well towards non-Jews.

    But don't pretend it says something it doesn't, here.

    I know you feel you are doing a "mitzvah" by sticking up for our holy religious writings "by all means necessary".
    Like telling a lie or perpetrating an Epstein "to save Israel"

    This is such a deep and sad mistake.

    It is NOT "saving Israel". It's building Babylon.
    It is NOT "defending holy writings" - it is profaning them.

    Please hear me - I am not trying to bash you - I thought like you as well once.


    -Okay I'll try again. The Talmud yerushaimi doesn't say save a life in Israel it just says save a life. This thing about saving a life is derived from the fact that one person was created originally, so it has to include gentiles-

    The quote is not from "gemora" section of the Talmud (compiled 475 CE) but from Mishna (compiled (200 CE)
    So it should be identical in both Bavli and Yerushalmi - predates the divergence.
    So the question is simply which set of printers have the original version.

    1. Mishna:"among Israel" (Yachin u'Boaz, in front of me now)
    2. Mishna per Bavli: "among Israel" (BB & Sanh, also in front of me, now)
    3. Yerushalmi Sanh: "among Israel" is not there.

    But context (me-ayaim the eidim) is clearly a Jewish life (eg, per Rambam Hil. Rotz 2:11)

    So, as this is one single written source, and given the direct context, which is more likely:

    1. That the word "among Israel" was mistakenly added in, in 3 places (Mishna, Bavli x 2) ?
    2. That the word "among Israel" was quietly "dropped" from one printed version, perhaps because seen as offensive, or through external censorship?

    You know that 2 is overwhelmingly likely to be true.



    -My version of the Mishna Tirah doesn't say murdering a soul in Israel, rather murdering a human soul-

    Clearly says "among Israel". 1.16. also see 2.11. in front of me right now.


    -The shulchan oruch yoreh deah 158 says jews are obligated to save the lives of gentiles-

    It does not say that. Perhaps "mishum aivoh" but that is not the same thing and you know it.

    -The Talmud in Gittin says that Jews are obligated to support gentile poor, visit gentile sick, and bury gentile dead-

    "Mipnei Darkei Shalom".


    If your aim is to show that Jews *are* commanded to treat non-Jews decently and honourably, and the Talmud does say that in several places - fair enough, this is completely true and good to point out.
    But if your aim was to prove your claim that the original verse cited probably didn't say "among Israel" – sorry.


    - Palestinians and other Arabs are treated in Israeli hospitals. So Arab lives matter to Jews-

    True


    -The Talmud is based on a very close reading of the Torah. It is assumed that every word even every letter is there to teach us something. Even if two passages are written together the juxaposition is telling us something. The Tslmud expounds on the Torah. It doesn't replace it-

    True


    -How do gentiles feel about saving jewish lives? -

    In over 100 years of lived history in England, US, etc we Jews have been treated incredibly well by our gentile hosts, which binds us to gratitude, respect, appreciation and reciprocity where needed

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